Chords for Anthony Phillips Talks Honestly on Genesis Replacement Steve Hackett

_ _ [Ebm] _ _ _ Original Genesis guitarist Anthony Phillips talks [Bb] about his replacement in the band, Steve Hackett.
I'm John Bowden [Ebm] from RockHistoryMusic.com.
They say a little competition in a rock band is a good [Bbm] thing.
That rivalry thing certainly made the Beatles [Ebm] a better band.
Sometimes there's more friction when you're talking about, let's say, a [Bb] guitarist and the guy who might have [Bbm] replaced him in the band.
Anthony Phillips left Genesis in [Ebm] 1970 after their second album, Trespass.
He was replaced [C] by Steve Hackett, [Bbm] who was with them [Bbm] until 1977 at the end of the Wind [Ebm] and Weathering tour.
And you'd expect maybe [B] a little friction [Bb] between them.
Not so in this case.
I talked to Anthony Phillips via phone a couple of days [Ebm] ago, and I shared with him my chat with Steve Hackett just six months ago.
[Bb] Steve was touring and he was excited about his new album, and I mentioned to Steve Hackett that, [Ebm] of all the Genesis members,
he was more, let's say, fruitful when it came time to releasing albums.
More prolific.
To which Steve Hackett corrected me and said,
if anyone's been prolific, it's Anthony Phillips.
So having Anthony on the phone, I had to ask, what's the [Bbm] relationship like between you two?
[Bb] Well, I mean, it's an interesting one, because I [Bb] just used to meet Steve at the functions, the [Eb] do's, the get-togethers, all the rest of it.
[Ebm] We were never _ [Bbm] always polite.
He's quite shy.
But I [Ebm] only really got to know him sort of ironically _ [Bbm] in the kind of wake of his _
[Bb] sort of catastrophic divorce,
[Ebm] where everything was kind of going wrong.
And _ [B] he was with [F] Jo, who's now his second wife.
And I remember [Bb] going around there and things [Eb] were very tense.
It was [Ebm] not a good time for him.
But actually, _ _ [Bb] _ we had a long, long, long chat about our [Cm] time in the group [Db] and compared notes and _ all the things,
which was quite [C] an extraordinary evening, actually.
We never really kind of looked back [Bb] after that, to be honest.
I mean, [A] he has a couple of friends who I [Db] like very much, and so a group of us would always meet up.
[Cm] We wouldn't talk about music that much. _ _
So I [Db] learned, I developed a strong friendship with Steve as well as an innate respect.
[Cm] I mean, I must say that in the last few years, I mean, he's beaten me [Db] hands down [Dbm] in terms of _ being prolific.
_ [B] I mean, he really has.
He's been incredibly prolific.
I mean, I think he's partly had to be, obviously, because _ that's his _ _ _ bread [Bb] and butter,
whereas my bread and butter is [Ab] more from _ [Bb] television music.
But no, I mean, I haven't really been prolific the [Eb] last few years.
I mean, I've obviously done lots of [Bb] work on the re-releases and bonus CDs and stuff,
but I haven't really been terribly prolific [Eb] in the album department [Ebm] for a while,
whereas [Eb] Steve is unbelievable, the way he turns things [Bb] around.
I mean, I'm so proud of the guy because he's done so much, had to really pull himself out of the fire.
And my God, [Eb] you know, getting out on the road and [Bb] doing all that and [Ab] writing new albums.
I mean, he [B]
works incredibly hard.
He works harder than I do now.
I mean, I did my time, but I don't work as hard as he does.
I suppose it's a bit of a mutual fan club, it [Bbm] sounds like.
A few days ago, we just [Ebm] released a video on Linda Ronstad, not really liking any of her albums.
In fact, kind of [Bbm] hating them on some levels.
That wasn't really new information for a [Ebm] lot of people because she has spoken in the past
about not liking a lot of her hits, especially [C] her 70s hits.
So having Anthony [Bbm] Phillips on the phone, a guy who's released a lot of music,
[Ebm] I had to ask him if he could go back and really listen to his older stuff.
No, [Bb] I don't listen to my stuff at all because I tend to find I'm always dissatisfied with it.
I always think, [Eb] so when you have to [B] listen to it, the rule of thumb is normally that [Bbm] it's all right
the first time or two [Bb] because you've forgotten what it was that you [Eb] were dissatisfied [Ebm] with.
But a little way in, you start becoming increasingly dissatisfied and you don't want to listen to it anymore.
I think anything involving vocals [Eb] as well tends to make me feel more embarrassed.
It's just like people don't like the [C] sound of their own voice when they hear it on tape, do they?
_ _ I don't [Bb] particularly like [F] photographs myself either.
So, [Ebm] you know, I do find it difficult.
I get ultra critical.
I [Bb] prefer not to listen to it, really, most of it.
Anthony Phillips has just released a deluxe edition of his [Ebm] 1983-84 [Eb] album, [Bb] Invisible Men.
It was released in the US in 83, the following year in [Gb] the UK.
Whenever a Prague artist releases something [Ebm] very pop, I'm always curious.
I'm not [Bb] one of those guys that hates it and I only stick to Prague.
I like music.
I don't care what genre it is.
If [Ebm] it's interesting, I like it.
And I loved Invisible Men in spite of the fact that it was the last thing I [Bb] expected from Anthony Phillips.
Genesis, I wasn't as surprised when they went [Ebm] pop.
So I had to ask him how it happened.
I have dug my heels in the times, [Bb] certainly about certain things.
But generally speaking, early on, we [Ebm] pretty much had to toe the line
because simply you couldn't get into a recording studio [Bb] if you didn't do what the record company wanted.
Mind you, it was things like 1984 I did [Eb] my own thing and that was then sold [Ebm] on to a record company.
So I'd be a [Bb] mixture of somebody plowing his furrow and [Gb] somebody who really just had to do_
I mean, [Db] Invisible Men, _ punk [Eb] and disco had come along and any long [Db] form stuff was out the window.
[C] So we were all [G] basically given our marching orders and told [Gb] to try [Db] and do pop songs.
I mean, when I played on Andy Latimer's The [C] Single Fact, that's why it was called that
because [Cm] everyone was demanding singles again.
It [Db] was a very strange business because if [Ebm] you were 15 or 16 or 17, I'm sure it was fine.
But for the rest of us, we were trying to [Cm] turn the clock back really and it didn't make a lot of sense to be honest.
[Db] But Invisible Men was_
I mean, it was [Dbm] because the record [Eb] company said, well, it's got to be an album of songs.
I mean, I think if you think you're a decent musician, you should be [Ebm] able to try and turn your hand to anything.
I'm sure Bart would have been brilliant in the modern age at anything he turned his hand to.
[Bb] I do remember finding it a little bit of a struggle [Ebm] because I'm not a naturally incredibly commercial animal,
which is [Bb] what they were wanting.
[Ebm] That's part one of our conversation with the original guitarist for Genesis, [Bbm] _ Anthony Phillips.
He'll [Bbm] also be featured in our top 25 [Ebm] Genesis songs of all time.
Yes, some of the songs he played on ended up in our top 25.
That's for our sister video [Bbm] channel, Rock History Book.
This is Rock History Music.
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Rock History Book is about top tens [Ebm] and top tens.
But we'll have stories on both of our channels with Anthony [Bbm] Phillips.
And man, he told me some stuff that I had never heard before.
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