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This is an absurd story that I've never told on my channel before.
Part of it is because it's embarrassing, but I think that you'll find it funny,
because in retrospect, it's pretty funny.
My band, Billionaire, that I've talked [Ab] about on this channel a number of times,
started in [E] 1997.
During [N] that first year, we made an independent record called
The Good Night Sky.
This is before our major label record.
So we finished that record in April of 1998,
and we were doing showcases for record labels.
We were playing this festival called the Atlantis Music Festival that my friend,
Rich Levy, put on.
So Rich, who's one of my dear,
dear friends, put us on the final night, the Saturday night,
in the headlining spot at this place called The Point.
We go up there at midnight or whatever, the last band of the conference we play,
and we killed it.
There's about 250 people there.
Well, one of the people that was there was Jake Ottman.
He was our manager.
Another person that was there was this guy, Jeff Hansen.
He was the manager of Creed.
Now, Creed was huge with their first record,
then, massively big and getting bigger.
So he loved our band, and he talked to Jake,
maybe co-manage our band or something like that.
He just wanted to help us however he could.
So he said, send me four of your indie records, okay?
I want to give them to the guys in Creed.
I'm like, okay.
So I send them out and get them to him.
So six months goes by.
I get a call from Jeff, and he says, listen, Creed had their opener canceled.
They were playing like the LA Forum, okay, headlining,
and they want to know if you guys want to open.
I was like, what?
And here we are in Atlanta.
We had no money.
We couldn't get out to LA to open for them,
but this was an incredible opportunity to play in front of what,
20,000 people for an unsigned band?
And I was like, well, I said, hey man, listen, we can't,
there's no way we can get out there.
We cannot do the gig.
I really appreciate it.
It's a very great offer.
Okay, so he's like, well, when Creed comes down in the South again,
we'll hook it up.
We'll get you to open one of the shows.
Okay, cool.
So a couple months go by,
and we have this show at this club in Augusta, Georgia called The Red Lion.
Now Mark, our singer, and Walter, our bass player, are from Augusta.
That's two and a half hours from here in Atlanta.
And this is a club that we've played many times before.
So all of their friends are going to come out.
It's like a 300, about a 300 seat venue.
It's not a seat.
I mean, it's a bar.
So Creed happened to be playing in town that night in Augusta,
at the Enormo Dome or whatever it was called.
The big arena that was in Augusta,
you know, 20,000 people or whatever.
And they ran a special,
because my friend Rich was the promoter on the show.
He promoted that concert for Creed.
So he ran a thing.
Anybody with a Creed ticket could get in free to our show,
which we started at 1230 at night.
That's when the headlining band would go on at The Red Lion.
So 1230.
Well, Mark and Walter and Darren were there,
and they started drinking with all their friends and everything.
And by the time we got up on stage, these guys were trash.
I didn't drink, but they were completely trash, especially our singer Mark.
Mark gets up in the mic.
First thing he says,
How many people wasted your money at that Creed show today?
Creed sucks.
Go into our first song.
We start playing everything.
Well, every few songs Mark makes some snide comments about Creed.
So we play our set.
People go crazy.
We get done playing and these guys walk off stage.
And I'm there kind of putting my cables together and stuff.
I mean, the stage is about this high off the floor.
All of a sudden,
Rich comes walking up to me.
I was like, what are you doing here?
He goes, I promoted the show in town.
I came over.
I knew you guys were playing.
I said, really?
And he goes, take a look in the back of the room.
And I look way back and I say, is that Mark Tremonti?
He goes, oh, yeah.
I said, is that the other guys in Creed?
He said, yeah.
And I said, how long have they been here?
He goes, oh, since about five minutes before you started.
And I said, how bad is it?
Oh, it's bad.
He said, you see the guy with them?
I said, yeah.
He goes, that's their agent.
And let me quote him.
He says, Creed will never help billionaire again.
So Mark Tremonti and our singer Mark exchanged words.
Mark was so, our singer Mark was so trashed.
Nothing happened.
All his friends were there and everything.
We back up.
We go back to Atlanta.
The next day, Jake, our manager, calls me.
He says, tell me what I heard happened didn't happen.
And I said, you mean the Creed thing?
And he goes, yeah.
I said, how do you know about that?
Oh, their agent called me today.
I said, how bad is it?
Oh, it's bad.
He said to quote, Creed will never help billionaire.
Okay, is there anything we can do?
No.
Jake says, you guys have done some bonehead things, but this takes the cake.
So we end up getting a record deal.
We make our record.
It was a disastrous record.
I've talked about that on the channel before.
Our record comes out and it was out for only a few weeks before our label got bought out by Universal.
We got dropped.
But before the record came out,
we had to we try to get ads on radio stations in the active rock format.
That was like heavy rock format.
Well, Creed was the top band in the active rock world then.
And there were stations that we could not get on because they
because basically they we couldn't get on the stations for whatever reason.
I'm not going to say that it was because of them, but I don't know,
but we could not get on these stations.
And then we, you know,
we're a signed band and stuff and that summer we got offered a bunch of big dates playing festivals,
playing in Raleigh, North Carolina, playing in Atlanta,
playing in Birmingham, wherever [Em] all through the South.
Every time before the concert would come up like the day before Jake would call us up.
He says I got bad news.
I said what he goes.
Well, you're playing second stage.
Why?
Because Creed had you bumped off or their agent had you bump off.
The guys in the band didn't know but their agent had us bumped off the main stage
and this [N] happened every single time.
So we end up getting dropped three weeks after our record came out
and I went and became a producer come 2008.
So nine years later, I get a call from a guy at wind-up records.
This was Creed's label.
I want you to go down to Scott Stapp's house and write some songs with him.
I said, okay, and then I told him the story and he's like,
I still want you to go.
Okay, so I get down there and I meet Scott.
Hey man, I didn't say I was in the billion.
I didn't say anything.
I meet him nicest guy in the world.
So we start working on songs in the first day and we hit it off and he had songs that he had written.
I was basically just helping him produce them.
I wasn't writing it writing with him and he's like he had a daughter that was two
and my son Dylan was a year and a half and my wife Nina was pregnant with Lennon.
She's like, why don't you have your wife and your son come down to hang out?
They hang out hang out [E] with his wife and his daughter and his son was it was 10 at the time.
I think and I was like, okay, so my wife [N] lies down and he gets they get there
and they're playing really hit it off Scott's out there playing basketball with Dylan
and shooting baskets in his basketball court and and it was great.
It was very fun.
And then that first day or second day there Dylan trips in his kitchen
and chips his front tooth breaks it right in half and Scott was horrified.
He said you're going to think about this every time you look at him until that new tooth comes in
and he was right.
We had have Dylan's tooth taken out
and he was without his front tooth until he was six years old.
Now the guys in the band are all nice guys and Scott was incredibly nice.
This was just a dumb thing that Mark did our Mark did from drinking with his friends before the show,
but it teaches you a lesson don't trash bands when they're standing five feet from the stage.
That's all for now.
Leave a comment.
Love to see what you think about this and don't forget
Part of it is because it's embarrassing, but I think that you'll find it funny,
because in retrospect, it's pretty funny.
My band, Billionaire, that I've talked [Ab] about on this channel a number of times,
started in [E] 1997.
During [N] that first year, we made an independent record called
The Good Night Sky.
This is before our major label record.
So we finished that record in April of 1998,
and we were doing showcases for record labels.
We were playing this festival called the Atlantis Music Festival that my friend,
Rich Levy, put on.
So Rich, who's one of my dear,
dear friends, put us on the final night, the Saturday night,
in the headlining spot at this place called The Point.
We go up there at midnight or whatever, the last band of the conference we play,
and we killed it.
There's about 250 people there.
Well, one of the people that was there was Jake Ottman.
He was our manager.
Another person that was there was this guy, Jeff Hansen.
He was the manager of Creed.
Now, Creed was huge with their first record,
then, massively big and getting bigger.
So he loved our band, and he talked to Jake,
maybe co-manage our band or something like that.
He just wanted to help us however he could.
So he said, send me four of your indie records, okay?
I want to give them to the guys in Creed.
I'm like, okay.
So I send them out and get them to him.
So six months goes by.
I get a call from Jeff, and he says, listen, Creed had their opener canceled.
They were playing like the LA Forum, okay, headlining,
and they want to know if you guys want to open.
I was like, what?
And here we are in Atlanta.
We had no money.
We couldn't get out to LA to open for them,
but this was an incredible opportunity to play in front of what,
20,000 people for an unsigned band?
And I was like, well, I said, hey man, listen, we can't,
there's no way we can get out there.
We cannot do the gig.
I really appreciate it.
It's a very great offer.
Okay, so he's like, well, when Creed comes down in the South again,
we'll hook it up.
We'll get you to open one of the shows.
Okay, cool.
So a couple months go by,
and we have this show at this club in Augusta, Georgia called The Red Lion.
Now Mark, our singer, and Walter, our bass player, are from Augusta.
That's two and a half hours from here in Atlanta.
And this is a club that we've played many times before.
So all of their friends are going to come out.
It's like a 300, about a 300 seat venue.
It's not a seat.
I mean, it's a bar.
So Creed happened to be playing in town that night in Augusta,
at the Enormo Dome or whatever it was called.
The big arena that was in Augusta,
you know, 20,000 people or whatever.
And they ran a special,
because my friend Rich was the promoter on the show.
He promoted that concert for Creed.
So he ran a thing.
Anybody with a Creed ticket could get in free to our show,
which we started at 1230 at night.
That's when the headlining band would go on at The Red Lion.
So 1230.
Well, Mark and Walter and Darren were there,
and they started drinking with all their friends and everything.
And by the time we got up on stage, these guys were trash.
I didn't drink, but they were completely trash, especially our singer Mark.
Mark gets up in the mic.
First thing he says,
How many people wasted your money at that Creed show today?
Creed sucks.
Go into our first song.
We start playing everything.
Well, every few songs Mark makes some snide comments about Creed.
So we play our set.
People go crazy.
We get done playing and these guys walk off stage.
And I'm there kind of putting my cables together and stuff.
I mean, the stage is about this high off the floor.
All of a sudden,
Rich comes walking up to me.
I was like, what are you doing here?
He goes, I promoted the show in town.
I came over.
I knew you guys were playing.
I said, really?
And he goes, take a look in the back of the room.
And I look way back and I say, is that Mark Tremonti?
He goes, oh, yeah.
I said, is that the other guys in Creed?
He said, yeah.
And I said, how long have they been here?
He goes, oh, since about five minutes before you started.
And I said, how bad is it?
Oh, it's bad.
He said, you see the guy with them?
I said, yeah.
He goes, that's their agent.
And let me quote him.
He says, Creed will never help billionaire again.
So Mark Tremonti and our singer Mark exchanged words.
Mark was so, our singer Mark was so trashed.
Nothing happened.
All his friends were there and everything.
We back up.
We go back to Atlanta.
The next day, Jake, our manager, calls me.
He says, tell me what I heard happened didn't happen.
And I said, you mean the Creed thing?
And he goes, yeah.
I said, how do you know about that?
Oh, their agent called me today.
I said, how bad is it?
Oh, it's bad.
He said to quote, Creed will never help billionaire.
Okay, is there anything we can do?
No.
Jake says, you guys have done some bonehead things, but this takes the cake.
So we end up getting a record deal.
We make our record.
It was a disastrous record.
I've talked about that on the channel before.
Our record comes out and it was out for only a few weeks before our label got bought out by Universal.
We got dropped.
But before the record came out,
we had to we try to get ads on radio stations in the active rock format.
That was like heavy rock format.
Well, Creed was the top band in the active rock world then.
And there were stations that we could not get on because they
because basically they we couldn't get on the stations for whatever reason.
I'm not going to say that it was because of them, but I don't know,
but we could not get on these stations.
And then we, you know,
we're a signed band and stuff and that summer we got offered a bunch of big dates playing festivals,
playing in Raleigh, North Carolina, playing in Atlanta,
playing in Birmingham, wherever [Em] all through the South.
Every time before the concert would come up like the day before Jake would call us up.
He says I got bad news.
I said what he goes.
Well, you're playing second stage.
Why?
Because Creed had you bumped off or their agent had you bump off.
The guys in the band didn't know but their agent had us bumped off the main stage
and this [N] happened every single time.
So we end up getting dropped three weeks after our record came out
and I went and became a producer come 2008.
So nine years later, I get a call from a guy at wind-up records.
This was Creed's label.
I want you to go down to Scott Stapp's house and write some songs with him.
I said, okay, and then I told him the story and he's like,
I still want you to go.
Okay, so I get down there and I meet Scott.
Hey man, I didn't say I was in the billion.
I didn't say anything.
I meet him nicest guy in the world.
So we start working on songs in the first day and we hit it off and he had songs that he had written.
I was basically just helping him produce them.
I wasn't writing it writing with him and he's like he had a daughter that was two
and my son Dylan was a year and a half and my wife Nina was pregnant with Lennon.
She's like, why don't you have your wife and your son come down to hang out?
They hang out hang out [E] with his wife and his daughter and his son was it was 10 at the time.
I think and I was like, okay, so my wife [N] lies down and he gets they get there
and they're playing really hit it off Scott's out there playing basketball with Dylan
and shooting baskets in his basketball court and and it was great.
It was very fun.
And then that first day or second day there Dylan trips in his kitchen
and chips his front tooth breaks it right in half and Scott was horrified.
He said you're going to think about this every time you look at him until that new tooth comes in
and he was right.
We had have Dylan's tooth taken out
and he was without his front tooth until he was six years old.
Now the guys in the band are all nice guys and Scott was incredibly nice.
This was just a dumb thing that Mark did our Mark did from drinking with his friends before the show,
but it teaches you a lesson don't trash bands when they're standing five feet from the stage.
That's all for now.
Leave a comment.
Love to see what you think about this and don't forget
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This is an absurd story that I've never told on my channel before.
Part of it is because it's embarrassing, but I think that you'll find it funny,
because in retrospect, it's pretty funny.
My band, Billionaire, that I've talked [Ab] about on this channel a number of times,
started in [E] 1997.
During [N] that first year, we made an independent record called
The Good Night Sky.
This is before our major label record.
So we finished that record in April of 1998,
and we were doing showcases for record labels.
We were playing this festival called the Atlantis Music Festival that my friend,
Rich Levy, put on.
So Rich, who's one of my dear,
dear friends, put us on the final night, the Saturday night,
in the headlining spot at this place called The Point.
We go up there at midnight or whatever, the last band of the conference we play,
and we killed it.
There's about 250 people there.
Well, one of the people that was there was Jake Ottman.
He was our manager.
Another person that was there was this guy, Jeff Hansen.
He was the manager of Creed.
Now, Creed was huge with their first record,
then, massively big and getting bigger.
So he loved our band, and he talked to Jake,
maybe co-manage our band or something like that.
He just wanted to help us however he could.
So he said, send me four of your indie records, okay?
I want to give them to the guys in Creed.
I'm like, okay.
So I send them out and get them to him.
So six months goes by.
I get a call from Jeff, and he says, listen, Creed had their opener canceled.
They were playing like the LA Forum, okay, headlining,
and they want to know if you guys want to open.
I was like, what?
_ And here we are in Atlanta.
We had no money.
We couldn't get out to LA to open for them,
but this was an incredible opportunity to play in front of what,
20,000 people _ for an unsigned band?
And I was like, well, I said, hey man, listen, we can't,
there's no way we can get out there.
We cannot do the gig.
I really appreciate it.
It's a very great offer.
Okay, so he's like, well, when Creed comes down in the South again,
we'll hook it up.
We'll get you to open one of the shows.
Okay, cool.
So a couple months go by,
and we have this show at this club in Augusta, Georgia called The Red Lion.
Now Mark, our singer, and Walter, our bass player, are from Augusta.
That's two and a half hours from here in Atlanta.
And this is a club that we've played many times before.
So all of their friends are going to come out.
It's like a 300, about a 300 seat venue.
It's not a seat.
I mean, it's a bar.
_ So Creed happened to be playing in town that night in Augusta,
at the Enormo Dome or whatever it was called.
The big arena that was in Augusta,
you know, 20,000 people or whatever.
And they ran a special,
because my friend Rich was the promoter on the show.
He promoted that concert for Creed.
So he ran a thing.
Anybody with a Creed ticket could get in free to our show,
which we started at 1230 at night.
That's when the headlining band would go on at The Red Lion.
So 1230.
Well, Mark and Walter and Darren were there,
and they started drinking with all their friends and everything.
And by the time we got up on stage, these guys were trash.
I didn't drink, but they were completely trash, especially our singer Mark.
Mark gets up in the mic.
First thing he says,
How many people wasted your money at that Creed show today?
_ Creed sucks.
_ Go into our first song.
We start playing everything.
Well, every few songs Mark makes some snide comments about Creed.
So we play our set.
People go crazy.
We get done playing and these guys walk off stage.
And I'm there kind of putting my cables together and stuff.
I mean, the stage is about this high off the floor.
All of a sudden,
Rich comes walking up to me.
I was like, what are you doing here?
He goes, I promoted the show in town.
I came over.
I knew you guys were playing.
I said, really?
And he goes, take a look in the back of the room.
And I look way back and I say, is that Mark Tremonti?
He goes, oh, yeah.
I said, is that the other guys in Creed?
He said, yeah.
And I said, how long have they been here?
He goes, oh, since about five minutes before you started.
And I said, _ how bad is it?
Oh, it's bad.
He said, you see the guy with them?
I said, yeah.
He goes, that's their agent.
And let me quote him.
He says, Creed will never help billionaire again.
So Mark Tremonti and our singer Mark exchanged words.
Mark was so, our singer Mark was so trashed.
Nothing happened.
All his friends were there and everything.
We back up.
We go back to Atlanta.
The next day, Jake, our manager, calls me.
He says, tell me what I heard happened didn't happen.
And I said, you mean the Creed thing?
And he goes, yeah.
I said, how do you know about that?
Oh, their agent called me today.
I said, how bad is it?
Oh, it's bad.
He said to quote, Creed will never help billionaire.
_ _ Okay, is there anything we can do?
No.
Jake says, you guys have done some bonehead things, but this takes the cake.
So we end up getting a record deal.
We make our record.
It was a disastrous record.
I've talked about that on the channel before.
Our record comes out and it was out for only a few weeks before our label got bought out by Universal.
We got dropped.
But before the record came out,
we had to we try to get ads on radio stations in the active rock format.
That was like heavy rock format.
Well, Creed was the top band in the active rock world then.
And there were stations that we could not get on because they
_ _ _ because basically they _ we couldn't get on the stations for whatever reason.
I'm not going to say that it was because of them, but I don't know,
but we could not get on these stations. _
And then we, you know,
we're a signed band and stuff and that summer we got offered a bunch of big dates playing festivals,
playing in Raleigh, North Carolina, playing in Atlanta,
playing in Birmingham, wherever [Em] all through the South.
Every time before the concert would come up like the day before Jake would call us up.
He says I got bad news.
I said what he goes.
Well, you're playing second stage.
Why?
Because Creed had you bumped off or their agent had you bump off.
The guys in the band didn't know but their agent had us bumped off the main stage
and this [N] happened every single time. _ _
So we end up getting dropped three weeks after our record came out
and I went and became a producer come 2008.
So nine years later, I get a call from a guy at wind-up records.
This was Creed's label.
I want you to go down to Scott Stapp's house and write some songs with him.
I said, _ okay, _ and then I told him the story and he's like,
I still want you to go. _
Okay, _ so I get down there and I meet Scott.
Hey man, I didn't say I was in the billion.
I didn't say anything.
I meet him nicest guy in the world.
So we start working on songs in the first day and we hit it off and he had songs that he had written.
I was basically just helping him produce them.
I wasn't writing it writing with him and he's like he had a daughter that was two
and my son Dylan was a year and a half and my wife Nina was pregnant with Lennon.
She's like, why don't you have your wife and your son come down to hang out?
They hang out hang out [E] with his wife and his daughter and his son was it was 10 at the time.
I think and I was like, okay, so my wife [N] lies down and he gets they get there
and they're playing really hit it off Scott's out there playing basketball with Dylan
and shooting baskets in his basketball court and and it was great.
It was very fun.
And then that first day or second day there Dylan trips in his kitchen
and chips his front tooth breaks it right in half and Scott was horrified.
He said _ you're going to think about this every time you look at him until that new tooth comes in
and he was right.
We had have Dylan's tooth taken out
and he was without his front tooth until he was six years old.
Now the guys in the band are all nice guys and Scott was incredibly nice.
This was just a dumb thing that Mark did our Mark did from _ drinking with his friends before the show,
_ but it teaches you a lesson don't trash bands when they're standing five feet from the stage.
That's all for now.
Leave a comment.
Love to see what you think about this and don't forget
Part of it is because it's embarrassing, but I think that you'll find it funny,
because in retrospect, it's pretty funny.
My band, Billionaire, that I've talked [Ab] about on this channel a number of times,
started in [E] 1997.
During [N] that first year, we made an independent record called
The Good Night Sky.
This is before our major label record.
So we finished that record in April of 1998,
and we were doing showcases for record labels.
We were playing this festival called the Atlantis Music Festival that my friend,
Rich Levy, put on.
So Rich, who's one of my dear,
dear friends, put us on the final night, the Saturday night,
in the headlining spot at this place called The Point.
We go up there at midnight or whatever, the last band of the conference we play,
and we killed it.
There's about 250 people there.
Well, one of the people that was there was Jake Ottman.
He was our manager.
Another person that was there was this guy, Jeff Hansen.
He was the manager of Creed.
Now, Creed was huge with their first record,
then, massively big and getting bigger.
So he loved our band, and he talked to Jake,
maybe co-manage our band or something like that.
He just wanted to help us however he could.
So he said, send me four of your indie records, okay?
I want to give them to the guys in Creed.
I'm like, okay.
So I send them out and get them to him.
So six months goes by.
I get a call from Jeff, and he says, listen, Creed had their opener canceled.
They were playing like the LA Forum, okay, headlining,
and they want to know if you guys want to open.
I was like, what?
_ And here we are in Atlanta.
We had no money.
We couldn't get out to LA to open for them,
but this was an incredible opportunity to play in front of what,
20,000 people _ for an unsigned band?
And I was like, well, I said, hey man, listen, we can't,
there's no way we can get out there.
We cannot do the gig.
I really appreciate it.
It's a very great offer.
Okay, so he's like, well, when Creed comes down in the South again,
we'll hook it up.
We'll get you to open one of the shows.
Okay, cool.
So a couple months go by,
and we have this show at this club in Augusta, Georgia called The Red Lion.
Now Mark, our singer, and Walter, our bass player, are from Augusta.
That's two and a half hours from here in Atlanta.
And this is a club that we've played many times before.
So all of their friends are going to come out.
It's like a 300, about a 300 seat venue.
It's not a seat.
I mean, it's a bar.
_ So Creed happened to be playing in town that night in Augusta,
at the Enormo Dome or whatever it was called.
The big arena that was in Augusta,
you know, 20,000 people or whatever.
And they ran a special,
because my friend Rich was the promoter on the show.
He promoted that concert for Creed.
So he ran a thing.
Anybody with a Creed ticket could get in free to our show,
which we started at 1230 at night.
That's when the headlining band would go on at The Red Lion.
So 1230.
Well, Mark and Walter and Darren were there,
and they started drinking with all their friends and everything.
And by the time we got up on stage, these guys were trash.
I didn't drink, but they were completely trash, especially our singer Mark.
Mark gets up in the mic.
First thing he says,
How many people wasted your money at that Creed show today?
_ Creed sucks.
_ Go into our first song.
We start playing everything.
Well, every few songs Mark makes some snide comments about Creed.
So we play our set.
People go crazy.
We get done playing and these guys walk off stage.
And I'm there kind of putting my cables together and stuff.
I mean, the stage is about this high off the floor.
All of a sudden,
Rich comes walking up to me.
I was like, what are you doing here?
He goes, I promoted the show in town.
I came over.
I knew you guys were playing.
I said, really?
And he goes, take a look in the back of the room.
And I look way back and I say, is that Mark Tremonti?
He goes, oh, yeah.
I said, is that the other guys in Creed?
He said, yeah.
And I said, how long have they been here?
He goes, oh, since about five minutes before you started.
And I said, _ how bad is it?
Oh, it's bad.
He said, you see the guy with them?
I said, yeah.
He goes, that's their agent.
And let me quote him.
He says, Creed will never help billionaire again.
So Mark Tremonti and our singer Mark exchanged words.
Mark was so, our singer Mark was so trashed.
Nothing happened.
All his friends were there and everything.
We back up.
We go back to Atlanta.
The next day, Jake, our manager, calls me.
He says, tell me what I heard happened didn't happen.
And I said, you mean the Creed thing?
And he goes, yeah.
I said, how do you know about that?
Oh, their agent called me today.
I said, how bad is it?
Oh, it's bad.
He said to quote, Creed will never help billionaire.
_ _ Okay, is there anything we can do?
No.
Jake says, you guys have done some bonehead things, but this takes the cake.
So we end up getting a record deal.
We make our record.
It was a disastrous record.
I've talked about that on the channel before.
Our record comes out and it was out for only a few weeks before our label got bought out by Universal.
We got dropped.
But before the record came out,
we had to we try to get ads on radio stations in the active rock format.
That was like heavy rock format.
Well, Creed was the top band in the active rock world then.
And there were stations that we could not get on because they
_ _ _ because basically they _ we couldn't get on the stations for whatever reason.
I'm not going to say that it was because of them, but I don't know,
but we could not get on these stations. _
And then we, you know,
we're a signed band and stuff and that summer we got offered a bunch of big dates playing festivals,
playing in Raleigh, North Carolina, playing in Atlanta,
playing in Birmingham, wherever [Em] all through the South.
Every time before the concert would come up like the day before Jake would call us up.
He says I got bad news.
I said what he goes.
Well, you're playing second stage.
Why?
Because Creed had you bumped off or their agent had you bump off.
The guys in the band didn't know but their agent had us bumped off the main stage
and this [N] happened every single time. _ _
So we end up getting dropped three weeks after our record came out
and I went and became a producer come 2008.
So nine years later, I get a call from a guy at wind-up records.
This was Creed's label.
I want you to go down to Scott Stapp's house and write some songs with him.
I said, _ okay, _ and then I told him the story and he's like,
I still want you to go. _
Okay, _ so I get down there and I meet Scott.
Hey man, I didn't say I was in the billion.
I didn't say anything.
I meet him nicest guy in the world.
So we start working on songs in the first day and we hit it off and he had songs that he had written.
I was basically just helping him produce them.
I wasn't writing it writing with him and he's like he had a daughter that was two
and my son Dylan was a year and a half and my wife Nina was pregnant with Lennon.
She's like, why don't you have your wife and your son come down to hang out?
They hang out hang out [E] with his wife and his daughter and his son was it was 10 at the time.
I think and I was like, okay, so my wife [N] lies down and he gets they get there
and they're playing really hit it off Scott's out there playing basketball with Dylan
and shooting baskets in his basketball court and and it was great.
It was very fun.
And then that first day or second day there Dylan trips in his kitchen
and chips his front tooth breaks it right in half and Scott was horrified.
He said _ you're going to think about this every time you look at him until that new tooth comes in
and he was right.
We had have Dylan's tooth taken out
and he was without his front tooth until he was six years old.
Now the guys in the band are all nice guys and Scott was incredibly nice.
This was just a dumb thing that Mark did our Mark did from _ drinking with his friends before the show,
_ but it teaches you a lesson don't trash bands when they're standing five feet from the stage.
That's all for now.
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